Let's go through this popular newbie type of question- it's even asked by traders 10 years in and many of them are still going in circles - system butterflies.
Small account? - Is fully auto 100% unattended? = Gambling!
Luck is nice to have on your side but to rely on it purely is called gambling!
Only hands-on hybrid automated trading allows the control and finesse to navigate the markets maximize winnings and minimize drawdowns... a fully automated system on a small account is gambling that you will get a winning run straight off the start and grow the account before the inevitable drawdown comes..! Small accounts suck - for any type of trading.
Welcome to futures trading you need a good account size or small account psychology is going to kill you along with the risk of ruin every time! unless you are fantastically lucky!
you must have a valid reason to want to trade fully automated and very large pockets!!!
- How do you know the system suits you? So what if it won for Bill you are not Bill - E.G: can you stand to win 35%, 40%, 50%, 60% of the time and lose 65%, 60, 40 of the time and drawdown 20% month and keep going - the system might not suit you - maybe it trades too many times, maybe the risk per trade is too much, maybe the typical losing run is too much and so on... maybe its premise doesn't suit you, mean rev., trend, scalp, swing, etc...
- You need the correct account size for a system at least 3 times the max drawdown in the account.
- Do you mean you cannot trade and want to pay someone else to do it? Put your money in a fund!
- Find out and use your own statistical evidence -don't believe anyone else! if you are not prepared to spend 1 year to 3 years working towards your goal you are losing mindset trader and 1000% guaranteed to lose at full auto.
- Small accounts and FOMO rushing to go live are a big reason for failure - why do you want auto because your manual trading sucks? Your full auto-mode trading will be worse! Fully auto is not the magic formula to fix a broken trader..!
I want fully automated I don't want to work just pay the fee!
Fully automated trading on a platform yourself does not mean doing no work!
Draw out the money and send it to a professional fund manager - that is fully automated.!
PLEASE! Just give me a winning system, give me the best settings...!
Warning! money needy amateur loser detected!
Each trader finds out how/what suits them via hands-on experience in the live market over many months, 1000s of hours of chart time, and pouring over backtests, charts, stats, and so on... taking the stats and settings from someone else is gambling! Gambling it fits you,... 90%+ it won't be an exact fit...
Can you give me a turnkey system baseline to view and tweak to get my own fully automated settings?
Winning trader mode detected...
Turnkey system baseline settings with a positive expectancy are useful points of reference even if untradeable... those are provided and can be seen hands-on.. from week to week glorious winnings and horrendous terrifying drawdowns are provided.. from this the real market phase and a natural system profile can be seen, from this intel, a trading plan can be worked on to suit leverage the winning scenarios... over time! with discipline and patience
lacking patience - some 80% fail on this point.. patience. (the disease of I want it to entertain and win now.. or it must be broken and you are all frauds or it won't work for me the market can see me and make me lose.) Be prepared to spend 1 year with a system or more... learn to love the process not the winning and money to succeed!
Algo Futures Trader for NinjaTrader
ATS provides turnkey systems for hybrid trading only - via the NinjaTrader platform
https://algotradingsystems.net/hybridtrading
Hybrid trading is the proven way to use for max win ratio and min drawdown.!
Traders elect the level of automation
- Manual entry - automated exits
- semi auto entry - - automated exits
- Fully auto entry - automated exits
#2 gets the popular best results - and #3 can be run on sim to provide the context of market phase and baseline to beat/compare to. - or tweaked to trade fully auto... or traders in attendance hybrid,
Traders tweak the based systems to suit their trade plan and risk appetite.
Hybrid traders at the very most in terms of automation would be around 66% to 80% automation in attendance.. and the sustainable win ratio average is around 66% - but some traders are up in the 80%+ zone - and this is down to plan, schedule, risk-reward or filters and frequency and resonance... the hat fits the head...
RISK is the no1 factor in trading - RISK CAPITAL
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micro futures -capital guides
- 25k usd to 250KUSD - for hands-on hybrid trading
- 150Kusd to 500usd - for Fully Auto Day/Swing is required
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Emini futures
- 250k usd to 1.5 mil - for hands-on hybrid trading
- 500k usd to 5 mil - for Fully Auto Day/Swing is required
Note: small accounts would be 25K
1% per trade on 25K is 250USD - can you afford to lose that each trade? say for 3 to 6 times in a row?
pain is a risk.. risk is pain the level is the only thing we can control in trading, there can be no reward without risk it is the cost of doing business - so the risk has to be set correctly to stand any chance of survival plus in place for when the drawdown hits, systems brakes applied to prevent catastrophic failure... avoid untenable levels of "risk of ruin"!
Performance is no 2
stats, diary, screenshots correlations to the cycle of price and news context/ market conditional setups
measuring the results against benchmarks of the system in backtest/walk forwards and real-time baselines on a weekly and monthly basis is critical learning when it is winning and why and why its losing is key - ongoing feedback into the system to park it up and pause or to optimize is part of the process. ongoing forever... there is no break from this if a trader wants longer-term success and not just a nice winning run and then off the cliff.
Note: there was a trader who begged for help: I'm 35k in the hole, it's my dream I want money I want to trade on auto -the advice given was: ok take screenshots, take stats...manually day over the week in excel, and become an expert on what the system and market are doing when it wins and loses and then...
They replied: I don't want to do that... I want it all done for me...that's what automated is, just pay the money and go play golf...
ok, guess who is still a loser after 10 years of jumping from system to system - blaming it on everything else except the real issue?
The instrument is no3
A high-probability instrument is far more important than any system - must suit your schedule and risk appetite and also its behavior - wild nq or more steady rty etc? correlated or a single like oil - moving around its news or moving around market session time cycles?
The system is no4
Systems are available all over 10000s of them even more who knows.. a system must be used within the context of 1,2,3 and it must suit all layers.. or it is wrong. why does it suit an instrument.. why is it winning or losing what is the market phase and cycle etc? no2 is the insight...
WARNING! Fully Auto 95% will fail regardless of the system.
- 80% fail at manual day trading
- 95% fail at automated day trading -as they rush and dont do the work
- up to 66% win with hybrid trading in our VIP group!
- traders take months on sim to prove it works
- then consider going live/prop and joining.
- many traders still have periods on and off sim and live
- traders have access to news, signals, technicals, advanced high probability methods, and market conditional setups.
I only want full automation i don't want to learn how to trade hybrid
Those who only want Fully Auto from day 1, it is very rare any of them succeed.. unless they have a long-term goal and can work off-piste and self-assist - then they have some kind of chance but even then they will interact so the level of automation might only be 80%- 90% tops -so really that is hybrid trading.
many traders see fully auto as the answer to their dream of endless money as they are bad at manual trading - that is the worst reason ever to consider fully auto, not a bona fide reason.! Fix the rot first!
leverage automation only when discipline and competence are in place. items 1 to 4 above- don't be dependent on some developer..or vendor, become independent, an expert who worked up to their goal in phases...
Traders fail for many reasons: psychology and money management are the 2 main reasons
Fear, greed, laziness, wrong capital, lack of skill, victims of marketing, sheer incompetence, FOMO, interfering, no plan to handle drawdowns, no plan to handle price and market shocks/news, etc.. and more.. such as the naive belief the market won't change and smash the boat on the rocks, that there is no more work to do.. in fact fully automated done correctly is a never-ending process and should take at least 6months to 1year+ before going live for each new system/asset stream.
The false idea in a nice longer-term winning run - diversity is not required and there is no reason to look further the holy grail is at their feet..and it's forever- then watch them give it all back or more..sadly.
Most traders want money and success in the dream now and don't want to do the work to earn it they believe they can pay to avoid the rules of reality... guess what... it doesn't work that way - if it does it won't for long and you get smashed even worse later for the overdraft of chance and luck incurred.!
Knowing when to use a system and when not to...
Does a good captain of a ship go out in all weather and live to tell the tale - usually not... 99.9% not, so why then do you think you can cheat reality and use a system all the time in all weathers and not need to do months or years of preparation work be diligent make a committed effort and pay attention? even Ray Dalio's alpha systems are only 90% fully auto at best so who are we against him?
Knowing what to trade and why in terms of the instrument - proven statistically, knowing what to trade on single or multiple systems -and creating a diverse mini fund of funds of asset streams non-correlated is the goal, and guess what... systems will stop being profitable and come back into vogue as the market phases ebb and flow... many traders chase unicorns and trade with delusions not knowing when to use the system and when not to...
The luck of the starting phase
some traders are unlucky and win for a long period and don't understand the market phase that is suitable for the winning run - then they get a big loss later and it can be devastating and their undoing - chancers flying on a wind destined to fall- the lucky traders get punched straight on top of the nose on the day 1, and they leave the ring forever, or learn the craft and stay the course...
Algo Signal Trader - automated trading system signals
Depending on time we may try to release a collection of systems with real-time and live stats that send algo signals out - which can be traded manually or in an automated context - so a trader would elect the signals that suit them and these get traded via NT platform or other... TBA... !!!
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